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fraserphysics 8 hours ago [-]
For a long time I've been reading that the closure of Hormuz is going to constrain consumption soon. I understand the economic theory that reducing supply of an inelastic commodity greatly increases the price. The article says that inventories have insulated us from high prices so far. I am surprised by how large and effective those inventories have been. And I am surprised that futures prices are not higher. Can anyone here suggest explanations?
adammarples 5 hours ago [-]
It is almost entirely explained by China cutting imports significantly. They are running down their inventory waiting for prices to drop again. Consumption was previously constrainted in much of Asia, for example 4 day work weeks etc. The US has also lowered their strategic petroleum reserve to new lows.
handoflixue 8 hours ago [-]
If, hypothetically, the war ended tomorrow, then we could resume Business As Usual and slowly start rebuilding reserves. The Powers That Be (governments, oil corporations, etc.) have a vested interest in this: while a price spike ostensibly makes money for the oil corporations, it also drives people to invest in green energy, buy electric cars, or make lifestyle changes that reduce long-term consumption. Meanwhile, the politicians benefit from the illusion that everything is under control.
There are still enough reserves to maintain this illusion AND do a fairly orderly "jack up prices, drive down demand" transition if and when it proves necessary.
TL;DR: The whole point of these reserves is to provide this sort of stability
iamnothere 11 hours ago [-]
Like the runup to COVID, everyone is just shambling along pretending that nothing’s happening. Even if the strait is opened tomorrow, inventories will continue to fall for some time. This is going to be a serious crisis.
I am really not looking forward to whatever bullshit laws they try to force through during the crisis.
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nxm 10 hours ago [-]
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iamnothere 10 hours ago [-]
“Getting through” a crisis is almost guaranteed short of a planet killing asteroid. We also “got through” WWII, although it was an extremely unpleasant time.
Covid (and the response to it) caused the deepest global recession since the Great Depression. It was a big deal, very damaging to the global economy, and generally a miserable time for most.
dragontamer 9 hours ago [-]
No one is claiming the end of the world here. Just $150 to $200 per barrel of oil.
vor_ 9 hours ago [-]
Your recollection is incorrect, and besides that, Covid had a serious impact on the world that's still being felt today. We didn't simply "get through it just fine."
bell-cot 10 hours ago [-]
> ... like Covid, where I recall almost everyone on HN believed it'd be the end of the world ...
Looking back, but don't see that. Maybe I'm just failing to hit Peak Doomer?
There are still enough reserves to maintain this illusion AND do a fairly orderly "jack up prices, drive down demand" transition if and when it proves necessary.
TL;DR: The whole point of these reserves is to provide this sort of stability
I am really not looking forward to whatever bullshit laws they try to force through during the crisis.
Covid (and the response to it) caused the deepest global recession since the Great Depression. It was a big deal, very damaging to the global economy, and generally a miserable time for most.
Looking back, but don't see that. Maybe I'm just failing to hit Peak Doomer?
For example - https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2020-06-09
This must be how Cassandra felt all the time.